racist skinheads... whos got em?

marcmacd0nald wrote:isnt there some racist band from around lansing or something that plays macs every once and a while?

tdodge41 wrote:I have been hearing about racism being on the rise again, but dont really see it. I think this could be a good place to talk about it over the full scene of the state.

Geeheeb wrote:Not hatin' here, but I'm sure you haven't at shows where almost all the attendees are male and white.

dhr wrote:I haven't seen a skinhead sieg heiling at a show since the 90s.

That said, with the apathy of kids nowadays and their anti-PC nonsense, they'd probably be okay with it. Back then, they were dealt with.

SeanSaint wrote:I feel that the scene, or at least the younger part of the scene that frequently attends shows at Static Age, Metal Frat, etc., has the general attitude that racism is something inherently unethical, as they should might I add. That being said, I don't think that our scene is often confronted with situations in which people might be able to show their racist colors, as it were. I commend James for talking about racism (and how fucked it is) during Face Reality sets, as of late. There are clearly people who are passionate about being anti-racist, and it's great to see, but I think that more people should be taking a stand regarding the subject. To agree with Brennan, passive racism is still racism.

All of this being said, I think that our scene has an entirely fucked sense of sexual and gender equality. Calling someone a faggot, or telling every girl "let me get some of that" isn't funny, and is not okay. To say that it's not a big deal is pretty ignorant. Nobody could possibly know how every other person in the scene/state/world is going to react to hearing something like that. You might not give a shit that you're being called a fag by your friend, but I guarantee that someone else in the room is probably not okay with hearing something like that. I'm not trying to call anyone out, and I'm certainly not saying that I'm free of blame, but I think that if we're going to say that racism is wrong, then we need to be saying the same things about bigotry in all forms.


Punk and Hardcore are supposed to be a safe place for people who aren't necessarily accepted in "normal" society. The music that all of us undoubtedly love created a scene that helped to pioneer gender, race, and sexual equality. Next time you catch yourself saying something that isn't "PC", take a second to consider how you might be making others feel. No one is so funny or important that they have the right to violate another's "safe place".

We've done too many amazing things with our scene to fuck it up with behavior like this.

Sorry for the long response, but I really wanted to share some thoughts that I've been harboring for a while now.

Steven Woahdick wrote:I don't really care what people think about what I have to say. Just like i don't care what anyone else has to say.

Rob wrote:stereotyping inside the "scene" is just as bad as racism. we are all racist. its just unconscious. we dont have to think about racism, it just happens. racism is all around us.

Tomas wrote:

Geeheeb wrote:Not hatin' here, but I'm sure you haven't at shows where almost all the attendees are male and white.

I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying. Are you saying I haven't ever been at a show where all the people weren't dudes and whites? I'm really lost. Regardless, Marc is right, sure ain't white.

Rob wrote:stereotyping inside the "scene" is just as bad as racism. we are all racist. its just unconscious. we dont have to think about racism, it just happens. racism is all around us.

Tim Lovelady wrote:I remember reading about some straight edge white power band from the west side of the state called xTotal Warx and something about them trying to recruit at the Lansing skate park.

Rob wrote:stereotyping inside the "scene" is just as bad as racism. we are all racist. its just unconscious. we dont have to think about racism, it just happens. racism is all around us.

Timmy Mac wrote:BOMBTHREAT HARDCORE BRINGING THE RACIST JAMZ IN 2010!

Tomas wrote:

Timmy Mac wrote:BOMBTHREAT HARDCORE BRINGING THE RACIST JAMZ IN 2010!

Bombthreat? Twin towers avatar? What are you getting at good sir?