Grand Rapids racist skins sad about nazi association

maersk wrote:there are skinheads in cadillac??? i wasnt aware that there was anything going on punkwise in that particular part of the state........

toddkrabs wrote:

maersk wrote:there are skinheads in cadillac??? i wasnt aware that there was anything going on punkwise in that particular part of the state........

On the way back from Traverse City I stopped in Cadillac at some random diner and at least 12 people in the diner had either nazi tattoos or racist t-shirts on.Even little kids! Look up the band "Major Disappointment" for a taste of some Cadillac racist punk rock!

Geeheeb wrote:Why did I get banned from the GR Oi Facebook for a little light ribbing, Todd? I just want to understand people better and participate and I get the boot.

toddkrabs wrote:

Geeheeb wrote:Why did I get banned from the GR Oi Facebook for a little light ribbing, Todd? I just want to understand people better and participate and I get the boot.

I have no idea! Seriously I don't. My best guess is that WFS knows there are people after them and 'spying' on them, so they probably figured you might be one of em. Again, this is total speculation If I knew who you were it might help me figure it out!

toddkrabs wrote:WFS knows there are people after them and 'spying' on them, so they probably figured you might be one of em.

Geeheeb wrote:

toddkrabs wrote:WFS knows there are people after them and 'spying' on them, so they probably figured you might be one of em.

Woah woah woah, for all I know they sent you here to spy on us! I think I'm going to need you to post a pic of yourself holding a sign that says "TODD CRABS". I know for a fact that one of the multiple "Ryan Felton" accounts is a narc.

toddkrabs wrote:

dmickman wrote:

toddkrabs wrote: WFS aint nazis!

Like I said earlier its not just their words that make them nazis, its their actions! The fact of the matter is that they are targeting people of color at shows and saying racist shit. So their scared to use the "nazi" moniker. That in no way changes the fact that the WFS "crew" has committed racially motivated acts of violence, and there are many witnesses.
Hey Todd, just because you've got fucked up with these "mates" a couple times doesn't make their actions any less serious. Instead of wasting your time defending these cowards you should be condemning their tough guy attitude in the scene and at shows. Oh yeah you can't cause there wouldn't be anybody at a Krabs show then.

Like I said, no they're not angels! Some of them have done somoe fucked up shit. So, have I and so has just about everyone I know. If you've never done anything stupid in your life, then you're most likely lying to yourself or have an ego the size of Ron Jeremys dick! I'm not defending everything WFS has ever done, but to me they're not nazis.

I get the impression that by your definition of a racist nazi that probably half the people I know would be accused and burnt at the stake by you and your kind. Nazi imagery has always been part of punk rock. Like it or not it's a fact. Songs like "blitzkreig bop" "Nazi snotzy" "they saved hitlers brain' all use nazi imagery and in my book are funny as hell! Or how about bands like "Dictators" or "New order"? they're both pretty fascist sounding names to me! So, a swastika really doesn't mean anything to me besides the fact that they pissed off some dumb PC kid witch is exactly what they wanted. So, you let them win. Good for you!

I'd encourage you to read the lyrics in the KRabs records before condemning us. We are actually quite anti racist, but were' anti fascist and believe in freedom of speech as well. Or even better, let me buy you a beer. If you think I'm some 'tough guy' then you obviously dont know me.

I would also encourage you to do a bit of research about the most integrated, diverse, multi racial culture in the world: Skinhead culture! There are skinheads of every race, nationality, sexual orientation, etc. all over the world. Even in our country there is a wide multi racial scene. "SKinhead" has nothing to do with race. There are plenty of real neo-nazis that I can help you locate if you'd like. Most of them don't look anything like a skinhead (thank god), but some do. I would encourage you to go after some real neo-nazis that have funding, weapons, and motivation to commit violence. These, I agree, are a real threat. Not some neighborhood gang that quite honestly is so drunk most of the time I doubt they are a REAL threat to anyone!

I'm working with some other people in Grand Rapids to promote unity in our scene. I'm working with people thatI don't necessarly agree with, but in the name of unity we've all chosen to put our differences aside and try to create some positive change in our little 'scene' here. It would be nice if others would do the same!

toddkrabs wrote:

Geeheeb wrote:Why did I get banned from the GR Oi Facebook for a little light ribbing, Todd? I just want to understand people better and participate and I get the boot.

I have no idea! Seriously I don't. My best guess is that WFS knows there are people after them and 'spying' on them, so they probably figured you might be one of em. Again, this is total speculation If I knew who you were it might help me figure it out!

toddkrabs wrote:After havingthreats made against me and the krabs, and even called 'racist nazis' by a so called 'Grand Rapids Anti Racist Action' I've decided that we wont be playing again. Ever! Punk used to be an open forum for different ideas and opinions, now it seems it's just full of intolerant people, so we're done playing and focusing on hunting downthis so called "Grand Rapids A.R.A" for their slander and threats and taking them to court. If anyone knows anything about this narrow minded terrorist group, please contact me. Thanks!

dmickman wrote:

toddkrabs wrote:

dmickman wrote:

toddkrabs wrote: WFS aint nazis!

Like I said earlier its not just their words that make them nazis, its their actions! The fact of the matter is that they are targeting people of color at shows and saying racist shit. So their scared to use the "nazi" moniker. That in no way changes the fact that the WFS "crew" has committed racially motivated acts of violence, and there are many witnesses.
Hey Todd, just because you've got fucked up with these "mates" a couple times doesn't make their actions any less serious. Instead of wasting your time defending these cowards you should be condemning their tough guy attitude in the scene and at shows. Oh yeah you can't cause there wouldn't be anybody at a Krabs show then.

Like I said, no they're not angels! Some of them have done somoe fucked up shit. So, have I and so has just about everyone I know. If you've never done anything stupid in your life, then you're most likely lying to yourself or have an ego the size of Ron Jeremys dick! I'm not defending everything WFS has ever done, but to me they're not nazis.

I get the impression that by your definition of a racist nazi that probably half the people I know would be accused and burnt at the stake by you and your kind. Nazi imagery has always been part of punk rock. Like it or not it's a fact. Songs like "blitzkreig bop" "Nazi snotzy" "they saved hitlers brain' all use nazi imagery and in my book are funny as hell! Or how about bands like "Dictators" or "New order"? they're both pretty fascist sounding names to me! So, a swastika really doesn't mean anything to me besides the fact that they pissed off some dumb PC kid witch is exactly what they wanted. So, you let them win. Good for you!

I'd encourage you to read the lyrics in the KRabs records before condemning us. We are actually quite anti racist, but were' anti fascist and believe in freedom of speech as well. Or even better, let me buy you a beer. If you think I'm some 'tough guy' then you obviously dont know me.

I would also encourage you to do a bit of research about the most integrated, diverse, multi racial culture in the world: Skinhead culture! There are skinheads of every race, nationality, sexual orientation, etc. all over the world. Even in our country there is a wide multi racial scene. "SKinhead" has nothing to do with race. There are plenty of real neo-nazis that I can help you locate if you'd like. Most of them don't look anything like a skinhead (thank god), but some do. I would encourage you to go after some real neo-nazis that have funding, weapons, and motivation to commit violence. These, I agree, are a real threat. Not some neighborhood gang that quite honestly is so drunk most of the time I doubt they are a REAL threat to anyone!

I'm working with some other people in Grand Rapids to promote unity in our scene. I'm working with people thatI don't necessarly agree with, but in the name of unity we've all chosen to put our differences aside and try to create some positive change in our little 'scene' here. It would be nice if others would do the same!

You are missing the point. Obviously, everyone has done things that they regret. These cowards don't regret shit. Not only do they not regret targeting people of color they continue to say things like, wfs is the only crew and all others will be run out, and post pictures of them posing in front of a confederate flag. That destroys their argument that they are proud of their heritage. If they were proud of their heritage they would rep a flag of their ancestors ie polish, english, etc.. Since the Civil War the confederate flag has represented maintaining the institution of slavery. Claiming that its to represent "pride" makes them look fucking dumb.
And what the fuck does "nazi imagery in punk rock" have to do with anything? These chumps roam around like a gang and threaten/assault people. This is not just about using images to piss people off. If half the people you know graffiti swastikas, pose with guns and nazi symbols, and attack people of color then I would call them nazis too. You can't use the excuse that "its things they regret" because they continue to post threats and act like a gang.
It will be interesting to see how your unity efforts work with you pushing so hard to include nazi skinheads. And you don't have to teach me about skinhead culture. I'm very familiar with its origins and history.
Its not about freedom of speech, "just putting our differences aside," or just "pissing off some pc kids." Its about confronting real life fascists in the GR scene. A "gang" complete with membership patches and big group pictures in front of nazi symbols and a history of violence. Thats who your arguing for unity with. There will NEVER be unity with nazis ie wfs.
I guess we'll see how February goes.

sadheeb :..( wrote:

toddkrabs wrote:After havingthreats made against me and the krabs, and even called 'racist nazis' by a so called 'Grand Rapids Anti Racist Action' I've decided that we wont be playing again. Ever! Punk used to be an open forum for different ideas and opinions, now it seems it's just full of intolerant people, so we're done playing and focusing on hunting downthis so called "Grand Rapids A.R.A" for their slander and threats and taking them to court. If anyone knows anything about this narrow minded terrorist group, please contact me. Thanks!

todd krabs: down the rabbit hole.

toddkrabs wrote:Punk used to be an open forum for different ideas and opinions, now it seems it's just full of intolerant people

toddkrabs wrote:

sadheeb :..( wrote:

toddkrabs wrote:After havingthreats made against me and the krabs, and even called 'racist nazis' by a so called 'Grand Rapids Anti Racist Action' I've decided that we wont be playing again. Ever! Punk used to be an open forum for different ideas and opinions, now it seems it's just full of intolerant people, so we're done playing and focusing on hunting downthis so called "Grand Rapids A.R.A" for their slander and threats and taking them to court. If anyone knows anything about this narrow minded terrorist group, please contact me. Thanks!

todd krabs: down the rabbit hole.

Yes, praise the lord you can rest easy now! The krabs are done. Again! Being adults just doesn't make it easy to be in a punk rock band. However, I'm not "down the rabbit hole". This has given me more energy and inspiration to fight and weed out all the anarchists and other assorted left wing nazi scum who try to impose their beliefs on us. Don't worry, I'll be back!

Jake wrote:What the hell is going on in this thread?

dmickman wrote:

toddkrabs wrote:

sadheeb :..( wrote:

toddkrabs wrote:After havingthreats made against me and the krabs, and even called 'racist nazis' by a so called 'Grand Rapids Anti Racist Action' I've decided that we wont be playing again. Ever! Punk used to be an open forum for different ideas and opinions, now it seems it's just full of intolerant people, so we're done playing and focusing on hunting downthis so called "Grand Rapids A.R.A" for their slander and threats and taking them to court. If anyone knows anything about this narrow minded terrorist group, please contact me. Thanks!

todd krabs: down the rabbit hole.

Yes, praise the lord you can rest easy now! The krabs are done. Again! Being adults just doesn't make it easy to be in a punk rock band. However, I'm not "down the rabbit hole". This has given me more energy and inspiration to fight and weed out all the anarchists and other assorted left wing nazi scum who try to impose their beliefs on us. Don't worry, I'll be back!

How long can the GR scene really last without the Krabs? I give it two weeks.
Now instead of the (mediocre at best) music of the Krabs I can wait with baited breath for the Todd Krabs "Expedition Against Anarchists and Left-Wing Nazi Scum" in the GR scene. Sounds great and I can't wait.
Really, give it up old man. Take a rest.

maersk wrote:the GR scene is pretty awesome. so many kids doing stuff.....and usually awesome stuff at that........i was never into the skinhead/oi bullshit so this krabs thing means nothing to me.........

dhr wrote:I've never heard of The Krabs, who built the GR scene, so I can only conclude the entire GR scene is horrible.

maersk wrote:the GR scene is pretty awesome. so many kids doing stuff.....and usually awesome stuff at that........i was never into the skinhead/oi bullshit so this krabs thing means nothing to me.........

toddkrabs wrote:

maersk wrote:the GR scene is pretty awesome. so many kids doing stuff.....and usually awesome stuff at that........i was never into the skinhead/oi bullshit so this krabs thing means nothing to me.........

SKinheads have always been part of the hardcore scene.Krabs aren't necessarily a 'skinhead' band, but when people wanna start calling people 'racists' that aren't, it 's more than just "skinhead/oi" bullshit. It's about the truth and people using slander against a very easy to attack population.

dhr wrote:

toddkrabs wrote:

maersk wrote:the GR scene is pretty awesome. so many kids doing stuff.....and usually awesome stuff at that........i was never into the skinhead/oi bullshit so this krabs thing means nothing to me.........

SKinheads have always been part of the hardcore scene.Krabs aren't necessarily a 'skinhead' band, but when people wanna start calling people 'racists' that aren't, it 's more than just "skinhead/oi" bullshit. It's about the truth and people using slander against a very easy to attack population.

The swastikas are pretty clear in 2012 Grand Rapids, pal. They made themselves easy to attack.