jackiepapers wrote:turn_coat wrote:jackiepapers wrote:http://devilsbed.tumblr.com/post/29610487844/last-night-during-xibalbas-set-the-entire-tour
...much like this one you probably didn't read, but decided instead to take a stranger's word on something you know nothing about and have no way of ever fully understanding. You weren't there, you will probably never know what actually happened, and you should quit dragging folks' names through the mud.
Did you read where I said I was getting information from multiple sources and the band admitted there was a confrontation?
"Band admitted there was a confrontation" essentially means "well something sure happened". You also have yet to do anything but allude to these sources. If you're going to make these kinds of allegations you damn well better be prepared to back them up. This is the hardcore scene, not Rolling Stone.
This is an unedited version of my partner’s exchange.
Wednesday night at the Astoria in Vancouver there was an incident with members of the touring band Alpha and Omega. As already well documented by my partner she was grabbed and assaulted by a member of one of the bands with what appeared to be premeditated collusion by a guitarist from Xibalba.
What followed was an exchange with the bands. She attempted to talk to the guy in question and got no where. I approached them to try and talk through it. My basic request was that an apology wasn’t sufficient, I wanted them to agree to make sure no one on their tour did anything like that again. The responses I was met with consisted of the following:
“We said sorry so it’s done.”
“Don’t talk to that fagot.”
“What are you going to do it’s 20 against 1.”
“Shut up or we will kill you faggot.”
and more of the same.
When I spoke to other band members one on one they all seemed genuinely sorry and apologetic but the group of would then surround me and anyone I was talking to and start threatening to kick my ass. Although I’m not a pacifist and never stated I am one, unlike the one band member said in my account, I am not suicidal. The bands made it clear that they preferred fighting to talking and getting seriously hurt by a group of goons is never my idea of a good way to resolve a situation. If the tables were reversed I would feel the same, dialogue and preventing repetitions of oppressive behavior is far more important.
My final conversation was with a younger guy who seemed to be the tour manager. We managed to talk for a couple of minutes while he tried to tell me that the group saying sorry was enough. The conversation quickly ended with ten or so band members surrounding us and repeatedly saying “Stop talking to that faggot” and “We’re going to kill you faggot.”
We left after that knowing the only apparent outcome was getting attacked by the bands. The misogyny and homophobia expressed by these bands is nothing surprising in hardcore history. To change hardcore isn’t a goal of mine, I’ve seen these incidents and the scene rallying around dudes in bands for too long. The only way to make change is to ensure people in the scene do not tolerate this kind of behavior from anyone, in a band or not.
This “rodie” was then identified as Louise of Alpha & Omega, presumably another hardcore band. He comes out and says what I’ve reblogged above. Here’s what he says specifically about the alleged sexual assault:
I was on top of a table for the majority of the set. During the last song, Xibalba’s guitar player started dancing around next to a girl that was on the floor in front of me. I reached down to put my hands on her shoulders to dance with her, when she turned around and punched me in the mouth three times.
But, she still wanted to argue that no one should touch anyone at a show. I disagreed and said that if you’re going to a hardcore/punk show that you should expect to get bumped into, possibly pushed, shoved or have some kind of physical contact with the crowd. She disagreed. I said we should agree to disagree and she then called me names and I walked away
This Louise guy is a fucking trip.